
A podcast aiming to demystify the creative industries where Scottish based Script Editor Jamie Mackinlay chats with a range of creatives at different stages of their careers. This podcast is perfect for anyone interested in the creative industries, particularly those at the start of their careers. With a wide range of guests from different parts of the creative industries, ’Just Get A Real Job’ filled with fun stories and lots of interesting advice. Celebrating the best of creativity and detailing honestly people’s struggles, triumphs and all round experiences in doing what they love.
Episodes

Friday Dec 20, 2024
Ep. 157 - 🎄 Christmas & New Year Special 2024 with Dictator🎄
Friday Dec 20, 2024
Friday Dec 20, 2024
For this year’s festive episode, Jamie is joined once again by Michael Campbell, front man of one of West Lothian’s most exciting bands, Dictator! Returning for the third time, Michael and Jamie reflected on the band’s incredible journey and what’s next for them. 🎶
They chatted about:
✨ The rollercoaster year Dictator have had and their biggest moments.
🎤 Exciting news about their upcoming EP and UK tour.
🎄 Festive banter and Christmas cheer.
🎶 The ups and downs of being an independent musician.
💿 Michael’s album of the year.
🌟 What 2025 has in store for Dictator—and much more!
Dictator:
'Heavy Weather' on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/6b7poB0T7TNtK3fYnsJJtv
Dictator's Website: https://www.dictatorband.com/
Ep. 110 - Live @ The Edinburgh Fringe Episode: https://justgetarealjobpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-110-live-the-edinburgh-fringe-with-dictator-band/
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Thursday Dec 12, 2024
Thursday Dec 12, 2024
In this weeks episode of Just Get A Real Job, Jamie chats with BAFTA Award-winning series producer Hannah Beaugeard about the challenges facing the TV industry today. With years of experience working on a range of productions and areas of TV, Hannah offers unique insights into navigating an industry in crisis.
We cover:
- How to navigate the TV industry downturn and its impact on professionals.
- Why it’s okay to take a step back or explore a different career, even in the short term, and how it can bring valuable perspective.
- Upskilling strategies: Leveraging your current role to explore new opportunities.
- Hannah’s career journey and the lessons she’s learned from working across different productions.
- The systemic issues in TV, include long hours, burnout, and feelings of dispensability.
- Reframing rejection and detaching your self-worth from your job.
- Why the TV industry must rethink its approach to talent and work culture.
- Hannah’s advice as a hiring manager for those breaking into or navigating the industry.
If you’re feeling uncertain about your career in TV—or contemplating a change—this episode offers honest reflections, actionable advice, and reassurance that stepping away temporarily can be a healthy and strategic choice.
Hannah Beaugeard:
"British Television is dying... and Gogglebox won't save it" Comment in The Times Newspaper Online: https://www.thetimes.com/culture/tv-radio/article/industry-analysis-british-television-decline-comment-b5l589gk0#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThis%20has%20been%20happening%20for,or%20low%2Dbudget%20reality%20filler.
"Why I'm thinking about quitting TV for a bit and so should you" on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-im-thinking-quitting-tv-bit-so-should-you-hannah-beaugeard-1758e/?trackingId=DY8M4mBkRCyVFEwO3Fp2TA%3D%3D
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Artwork by Aimee Dinsdale:
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Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
Ep. 155 - ‘Crafting a Comedy Series’ with Bryce Hart (Writer)
Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
Wednesday Dec 04, 2024
In Episode 155 of Just Get A Real Job, Jamie is joined by Bryce Hart, the BAFTA-nominated writer and creator of the BBC One comedy series Only Child, now streaming on BBC iPlayer. Bryce’s other credits include Beep and 10 Percent. It was a pleasure to hear Bryce share his practical advice and personal insights into screenwriting and his career.
We discuss:
- The making of Only Child and how the series came to life.
- Why Gregor Fisher and Greg McHugh fit the roles so perfectly.
- His journey into Screenwriting.
- Becoming a father.
- Navigating development.
- Mental health and the emotional challenges of writing.
- His advice for aspiring writers—and much more.
Stream Only Child now on BBC iPlayer, and don’t miss this inspiring conversation with one of UK comedy writing's rising stars.
Bryce Hart:
Only Child on BBC iPlayer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/m00255fp/only-child?seriesId=m00255fq
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Thursday Nov 21, 2024
Thursday Nov 21, 2024
This week, Jamie is joined by the brilliant Rachel Stockdale—an actor, writer, and voice artist based in the North East of England. Earlier this year, Rachel toured the UK with her hit play Fat Chance, and we are thrilled to have her on the show.
We dive into:
- What it’s like being a creative in the North East.
- Leavig teaching to follow a creative path.
- The barriers facing working-class actors.
- Why measuring progress as a working actor can feel so tricky.
- Her play Fat Chance and its powerful message.
- The undeniable joy of Chicken Parmos.
- Rachel’s advice for others navigating a creative career—and so much more.
Rachel Stockdale:
Rachel's Website: https://www.rachelstockdale.com/
Rachel on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rachelstocky/
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Wednesday Nov 13, 2024
Ep. 153 - ‘Writing, Directing & Finding Your Voice’ with Raisah Ahmed
Wednesday Nov 13, 2024
Wednesday Nov 13, 2024
In this week’s episode, Jamie is joined by the wonderful Raisah Ahmed, a Glasgow-based Screenwriter and Director working across Film and TV. Recently named a Screen International 2024 Rising Star, Raisah also serves on the BAFTA Scotland Committee, the Scottish Youth Film Foundation Board, and chairs the Glasgow Film Festival Industry Advisory Group.
We dive into:
- Raisah’s journey into writing and directing.
- Her work within Children’s TV.
- Tips on navigating development as a Writer.
- The importance of setting boundaries and maintaining a life outside of work.
- The joy of telling stories that those before her didn’t get the chance to tell.
- Her experience in the writers’ room for both series of C4’s hit comedy We Are Lady Parts.
- The differences between writing and directing.
- The biggest lessons she’s learned so far in her career, and much more.
Raisah Ahmed:
Raisah's Website: https://www.raisahahmed.com/
ScreenDaily Article on Raisah: https://www.screendaily.com/features/rising-stars-scotland-2024-raisah-ahmed-writer/director/5196190.article
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Thursday Nov 07, 2024
Thursday Nov 07, 2024
In this week's episode, I’m joined by Maybelle Laye a talented Costume Designer with experience in both TV and Theatre. Having transitioned into costume work later in life, Maybelle shared valuable insights and wisdom with me. She recently wrapped work on Talwa’s Play On, which is currently on tour.
We discussed topics like:
- Navigating Imposter Syndrome and changing careers later in life
- How to break into costume design and the differences between working on stage and screen
- The powerful connection between clothes and identity
- Working on Play On.
- How culture shapes what we wear
- The biggest lessons she’s learned throughout her career—and much more
Maybelle Laye:
Play On @ Tawala: https://www.talawa.com/productions/play-on
Maybelle on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/maybeve8/
The Black Costume Network on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theblackcostumenetwork/
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Wednesday Oct 30, 2024
Ep. 151 - 'WTF has happened with the TV Industry?’ A Deep Dive with Philip Ralph
Wednesday Oct 30, 2024
Wednesday Oct 30, 2024
In this week's episode, I’m joined by Philip Ralph, a multi-award-winning writer for screen and stage. Philip went viral in March for a powerful and well-crafted thread on X (formerly Twitter) in response to the BBC’s axing of the popular soap 'Doctors'. It was a privilege to have him on the show to discuss both his career as a writer and the ongoing crisis facing the TV industry.
We chatted about topics including:
- Why the TV and wider screen industry is in crisis
- Why "survive to 2025" is a flawed idea
- Getting into writing during his time as an understudy
- The lack of new voices
- The importance of soaps
- Writing Verbatim and docudrama writing
- The problem with magical thinking in the arts
- The biggest lessons he’s learned—and much more
Philip Ralph:
Film and TV Charity: https://filmtvcharity.org.uk/
Philip on X: https://x.com/philipralph9
Philip's Website: https://philipralph.com/
Mark Cousin's Post on X: https://x.com/markcousinsfilm/status/1841871888152232057
'Doctors' Article in The Guardian:
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Wednesday Oct 23, 2024
Ep. 150 - Live @ The HB Film Festival with Saffia Sage & Bjørn Hanson
Wednesday Oct 23, 2024
Wednesday Oct 23, 2024
For our 150th episode, we’re thrilled to be joined by producers Saffia Sage and Bjørn Hanson, live from the HB Film Festival in Paisley.
In this episode, we explore:
- What a producer’s role truly involves
- Various routes into producing and working in TV and Film
- How the screen industry can better support mental well-being
- Why Saffia and Bjørn chose to pursue their careers in Scotland
- The biggest lessons they’ve learned so far
- The importance of collaboration, and much more 🎧
Bjørn’s credits include Float (BBC) and Aninika (UKTV), while Saffia’s credits include Screw (C4) and The Rig (Amazon Prime).
This episode was recorded live on Sunday 6th October 2024 as part of ‘The HB Film Festival’
Saffia Sage & Bjørn Hanson:
Black Camel Pictures: https://blackcamel.co.uk/
'Float' on BBC IPlayer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p09s27fp/float
Saffia on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/saffiasage/
Saffia on X: https://x.com/SaffiaSage
HB Film Festival: https://www.hbfilmfestival.com/
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Wednesday Oct 16, 2024
Ep. 149 - ‘Overcoming Setbacks’ with Gabriella Leonardi
Wednesday Oct 16, 2024
Wednesday Oct 16, 2024
We’re back! This week, we’re joined by Gabriella Leonardi, who is currently starring in the brilliant new play “Flock” as “Cel". Gabriella is an accomplished actor, writer, poet, and model, with a really inspiring story.
Gabriella chatted to us about:
- Forging your own path in a challenging industry
- Dealing with rejection and setbacks
- How self-tapes work.
- All things Flock.
- The hidden dangers of working in creative industries.
- The importance of staying true to yourself.
- Publishing the art of a damaged soul, and much more
Gabriella Leonardi:
"Flock" @ Soho Theatre: https://sohotheatre.com/events/flock/
"The Art of a Damaged Soul" on Paperback: https://www.waterstones.com/book/the-art-of-a-damaged-soul/gabriella-leonardi/9781398440982
Barney Songs on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhfYkck5lXs
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Wednesday Aug 21, 2024
Ep. 148 - ‘No Place Like the Fringe’ with Kyle Dolan
Wednesday Aug 21, 2024
Wednesday Aug 21, 2024
Join us this week as we sit down with returning guest and friend of the podcast, Kyle Dolan. Currently performing at the Edinburgh Fringe, Kyle is doing two shows including his late-night comedy variety show, *Liars & Clowns*, and his solo show, *No Place Like Home*
Kyle spoke to us about everything from:
- Finding your voice through trial and error
- Returning to the Fringe for the third year in a row
- The cultural differences between Australia and Scotland
- How his shows have evolved over time
- His Australian Mount Rushmore
- What he’s learned most from stand-up & more
Recorded at the Assembly Club Bar.
Kyle Dolan:
'Liars and Clowns: A Late Night Comedy Show': https://assemblyfestival.com/whats-on/613-liars-and-clowns-a-late-night-comedy-show
'No Place Like Home': https://tickets.edfringe.com/whats-on/kyle-dolan-no-place-like-home
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